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IronClark (Talkcontribs)

We have a discord chat open now for the moderators, if you can get in touch with me I can give you the invite and what not, IronClark #1009 is my tag. Just let me know that way we can all get ahold of eachother!

Jack Ironhide (Talkcontribs)

I'm Die-Go#4318

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PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

With Side Quests being released, I think it's safe to remove the "This contains spoilers from the latest campaign" on pages with information from the Silvermine Mountains campaign. It's been a few months since release, giving people plenty of time to have watched it. The tag should currently be on the most recent Side Quest.

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PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Currently, there seems to be confusion over the race called Stone Tail / Rock Wolf. There are two pages, Stone Tail and Rock Wolf, both with the same information. From the KHH campaign, the race had been called Stone Tail. Now I am in question of whether or not the race is called Rock Wolf, and the main boss was named Stone Tail, or if the entire race is simply Stone Tail, and the term Rock Wolf is just a common nickname for the species. Not a huge issue, but its caused two pages with the same information, which has resulted in many wrongly linked links.

Tdis8629 (Talkcontribs)

For now, I would say that Stone Tail stays, and add Rock wolf to the Races as an alternate name/redirect. I have to catch up on the latest SQ (on episode 5), but from what I have read/heard, both wolves in KHH and BotB are pretty much the same description wise; even DB did not know how to describe the race in his Behind the Scenes post.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Basically he said a domesticated Rock Wolf or Stone Tail thing. People call them two things, but the official name is currently Stone Tail. I do however want every link to go to Stone Tail, so gotta run through and fix that this weekend.

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PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Should we have a separate tab under the "Campaigns" tab for Side Quest and Coe's Quest? Both are newer series that will have more attention drawn to them by these quick additions. The content would function similarly to how the campaigns tab is set up.

For Side Quest, simply the campaign title with information, pretty much same as campaigns. The purpose of this is to simply let the information be easier reached, and let the series be seen easier.

With Coe's Quest however, I think this is more crucial. Assuming there will be separate seasons, we can list the seasons with a link to their pages. Each season's page would include general information like release date and finale date, a brief description, and a list of all episodes with a description of what happened in each. Adding this tab will be good for the show, as it shows that it's a major contribution to the Urealms [live] world, and allows more people to find it.

Plornt (Talkcontribs)

I've added a sidebar link to "Side_Quests" dead link at the moment but gives us something to work with. We can give ths a go now but not sure if others will be opposed to it since technically the side quests are a campaign, just not really live.

I also added a separate heading for Coes Quest.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Alright great, thanks. Yeah, we should just see how it goes for Side Quests, if this separate tab isn't useful, we can just keep them mainly under campaigns.

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PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EoQPKRUoH_ibgHSCU7Gv1vY1lZLeWxtFDjHPbwDRklk/edit#gid=0

This is still a thing for anyone interested in helpingĀ :). I don't think the list has been updated or maintained well, so first thing really is removing what's done and adding what isn't.

I don't think every staff has editing powers yet; so if you need them, send me a message and request them and I'll see to making sure that you too can have absolute power.

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Youtube Urealms Live, Coe's Quest

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Summary by PureLemons

Old Discussion - Out-dated.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

So, Rob mentioned the possibility of a youtube series of Urealms Live with potential guests and others being the GM. Though I doubt this will be canon, I think it very much deserves a spot on this wiki. In addition to that, Coe's Quest may be out within the next few months, so we will need to think of how we want to put this information up here to keep it simple and easy for new people to get into and find what they're looking for.

Any suggestions or ideas on how we want to do these? (Even if this is early, I enjoy thinking ahead so we have some idea of what we can do when the time comes).

Tdis8629 (Talkcontribs)

Because we have no information on the layouts, I can see three methods of classifications: main, universe, and multiverse. What occurs on the board is considered main, tales of adventures from around the world can be universe (Unforgotten Realms v2 is an example, since Roamin the Paladin is a legend in the Paladin Order), and fictional stories (Boyfriend Quest, DDnD, and Nuren) are counted as multiverse, since there are theoretically limitless possibilities and outcomes stemming from the creator (Dave with the unknown stories, and Rick Snot with his tabletop games). Another example of multiverse would be the fan campaigns, which are alternate views on current events (Birth of Porbo comes to mind) or completely original content altogether.


From what I understand at the moment, Coe's quest would fit in the universe, since it may include characters from the main line, but occur both in different areas of the world. As for the alternate DM, the stories may be universe as well, unless it affects recurring characters (main), or creates paradoxes (multiverse).

66.152.117.145 (Talkcontribs)

Urealms youtube series could be canon in the way of like side missions like in borderlands, fallout or skyrim how then are canon but not important to the main story plus i can't wait when Justin becomes GM that would just be the Best

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

An idea I had, was to have everything that is connected to Unforgotten Realms Live, the actual show, be under that category. Characters, Campaigns, etc. When the Youtube campaigns show up, they will have their own category, I would suspect they be under a different name, but no way to be sure. Rob chose DB as the DM because he would be the best, at the time, of keeping it all in-universe. So we should operate under the assumption that the DB-Campaigns are canon UNLESS we are official told otherwise.

As for Coe's Quest, I suggest the same with the categorization, but with this one having a spot on our sidebar. The way I see it, CQ is a spin-off. We should treat it as canon, categorize its characters and such. Perhaps see if Peter can whip up a CharBox template specifically for CQ.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Alright, either way, the design we choose shouldn't be different if it is canon or non-canon. In all reality, if either of these isn't canon with the main story, all we need is a little blurb at the top of the page saying something like "_____ is a series done by _____, and is un-canon to the main Urealms Live show".

I doubt the youtube streams will be canon, but even if they are / aren't, should be under a category on the wiki, as they are urealms shows by the producers of urealms. However, things like gueses should be upgraded on the player page here, under which show they appeared in. (Much like Pause, Steve, Game grumps guy I can't remember the name of (egoraptor?), Jake and Nisovin.

As for races that appear during these campaigns, I started a "non-canon" race section, which I think Peter should make a CharBox for. If something is from an un-canon series, we'd just put it there with its information, problem solved.

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

We can't be sure if the youtube campaigns will be canon or not. To be honest, I feel like we should treat it like we do Nuren. Unless they say that, with a 100%, that a certain campaign is NOT canon, then it is canon. Rob has already said that they will not reveal any new races, cards, classes or anything during these campaigns, they are just a way to keep content going while they prepare for Season 2. Also gives them the ability to work with guests and allow Rob to teach them to play with more creativity.

All of the guys have said that Coe's Quest is going to be canon. And we have heard nothing else otherwise stating that the DB-Campaigns would maybe not be. Really, the only "Non-Canon Content" we have to cover is the original cartoon.

Davrial (Talkcontribs)

I feel like they probably WILL be canon, as Rob stated the main reason it's being done on Youtube is because it is much easier to set up, so allows for more/easier experimentation. It should probably be considered canon unless stated otherwise.

As for Coe's Quest, whether or not it is canon, it deserves to be on this site, in full detail, not just a blurb. Anything set in the new/rebooted URealms universe should be given a proper place on this site. It should be given its own section separate from everything else, though. Another category on the sidebar like "URealms" and "The Game". The YT-campaigns are still campaigns using the game though, so it doesn't need its own new category.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but in the future please do not comment on discussions going on on the Moderator Talk page. They're for mods only.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

I agree with you Davrial. If the Youtube campaigns are canon, (meaning rob either say they are, or doesn't say they aren't), we should still put a note on the page saying the campaign was done on youtube instead of a stream.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

I said this in a different thread, but I'll say it again here: I think it's a bit too early to make decisions about a show/series that may not even happen. Until we get more information about the series like a release date or whether it's canon or not I don't think we start making calls like this.

I personally do believe that the YouTube campaigns are supposed to be cannon, like Coe's Quest. I do think that they should be recorded here on the wiki in some capacity, but the scope of how it's represented is yet to be determined.

If the shows turn out to be non-cannon we already have a template in place to denote pages as such.

If we decided we need new Charboxes for the various series I can easily make those.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Well Peter, I actually said "Even if this is early, I enjoy thinking ahead so we have some idea of what we can do when the time comes". Yes, it may be early, but it's not a bad idea to think about our plans now. Be ahead of the game, have an idea of how we will do things, and if anything changes, we can easily incorporate these changes into our plan, or change the plan accordingly.

But, both these series seem to be coming very soon, meaning this is a good time if any to discuss our plans.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

Hey guys, so about a week ago we had a vote on whether or not we should have Not Safe For Work (or NSFW) content on the site as well as if we should keep fan art on the site. You can see that here. The consensus on Fan Art was that we allow it on the site. However, we were pretty evenly split on NSFW content. After basically everyone voted we realized that there are a bunch of ideas of what qualifies as NSFW content. I thought that I would clarify what is NSFW and have us revote just so we're clear.

I think we can put the stuff we're talking about into three categories:

  • Sexually Suggestive: Images that allude to nudity or sexual acts, without actually showing it. Example
  • Sexually Explicit: Images that actually depict nudity or sexual acts. Example
  • Gore: Images that depict serious physical injuries involving blood, flesh, bone or internal organs. Example

I suggest we (the mods) vote on whether we keep each of these kinds of images on the wiki.

A few things to keep in mind:

Please note, this is just about NSFW images. The way we talk about the more adult themes of the campaigns in the articles is very different topic.

5ilver42 (Talkcontribs)

Since it's decided that we're having fan art on the site. I'm personally fine with all three, however, my vote is to respect Plornt's view as the creator and admin to exclude explicit sexual NSFW art.

  • SS: Yea
  • SE: Nay
  • G: Yea
Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

I agree with 5ilver42.

  • SS: Allow
  • SE: Don't Allow
  • G: Allow
IronClark (Talkcontribs)

Unless a better forum for fan art is created, I think this is the best method for us. Suggestiveness and Gore still keeps us out of the Rule 34 area, and I think that is the general accepted view for most of the younger fanbase.

  • SS: Yes
  • SE: No
  • G: Yes.
Tdis8629 (Talkcontribs)

I think the vote is fairly unanimous, but it's still a good idea to cast a vote:

SS: yea

ES: nay

G: yea

Pillowkeeper (Talkcontribs)

Yep I actually see this as a good compromise: SS: Yes SE: No G: Yes

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

SS: Ye ES: Ne G: Ye

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Hay I am back now sorry for being away for so long.

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Red Rath (Talkcontribs)

Just a quick post to say that I am active again, sorry that i have been away and i realise that most people will not remember me i was only active for the first few weeks.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

Hey man, welcome back. I highly suggest reading all the conversations here on Mod Talk and making sure you read the Rules to make sure you're up to date on everything mod-wise.

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Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

For the past week we've been debating on whether or not we should allow NSFW content on the website AND whether we should keep Fan Art in general. You can see the full discussion over here. Please make sure you read through it all out of respect for your fellow mods and to make sure you're caught up on the arguments for and against each side. This thread is specifically just for voting on those two subjects. Any debating that you still want to do should be done over in the other thread. To vote, simply leave a I comment saying "I vote we keep/ get rid of Fan Art" and "I vote we keep/get rid of NSFW content". Whatever choices win by majority vote will become the new policy and I'll update the Rules to reflect that. This vote is only open to Moderators, so the people who can vote are:

Tdis8629 (Talkcontribs)

I vote we keep Fan Art.

I vote we remove NSFW content*.

Edit: Added title text to NSFW. Does not change vote, though.

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Plornt (Talkcontribs)

Keep fanart, disallow NSFW

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

I vote for keep Fan Art, I suppose getting rid of NSFW content. At least until a better forum for both types of art exist.

Pillowkeeper (Talkcontribs)

I vote keep fanart, and allow NSFW under a NSFW tag.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

I vote we get rid of fanart, but allow NSFW conent

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

My vote is cast for keeping fanart, but removing NSFW content (overly gratuitous stuff at least).

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Keep fanart, allow NSFW content under a NSFW tag, so if you don't want it, don't click on it.

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Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

Alright, with 7/9 possible votes cast I think we have at least part of our answer. 6 people have voted in favor for keeping fan art making that the majority.

However, we're currently split on NSFW content with 4 votes against it and 4 votes for it. There's also been some debate on what we consider NSFW content.

The two main examples brought up are this picture of Neena and Nate having sex. and this picture of Jakelad's skull caved in.

Perhaps we should clarify what we mean as NSFW content or maybe we just work out a ruling that's not either a hard yes or a hard no since we seem pretty evenly split.

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

Personally, The NeenaXNate art is what I consider NSFW, Jakelad's skull is not. That might just be because I am exposed to gore a lot, so it doesnt phase me.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

No, but from the opposite spectrum, someone may be fine looking at sexual pictures but not at gore.

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

Again, I think we do it base by base. Personally, I could see both of those as NSFW, but as this is basically D&D, the game is based on violence. Sex, not so much. So if we were to keep one and remove the other, I would keep jakelad, remove NeenaXXXNate. But again, I think we do it case by case.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

Perhaps we just put a ban on nudity. For instance, this is also NSFW for it's sexual nature, but it doesn't have actual nudity. Should we ban this as well?

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

How about a ban on: Nudity, explicit acts of sex, and (ridiculously) non-cannon stuff.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

So just to clarify, that wound ban the NatexNeena stuff, but not the Neena Bikini Armor or Jakelad skull crush, correct?

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

Well, the Jakelad skull crush would probably go to a vote, but bikini armor would be fine. That way art guys can make allusions to the whole Neena route, while still being mostly clean. As a whole though, the Jakelad thing would be more or less acceptable within voting bounds.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Well, as you can see, there will be lots of different perspectives on what NSFW is. That's why I believe it to be grouped with fan art in general. Some may say one thing is NSFW when one isn't and vice versa. I am not going to type an argument for each little bit of fan art that comes through with any bit of blood or sex, and I doubt anyone else wants to. This shouldn't be a vote on if we should have it or not, it should be a vote on if we make it open-ish or just have a clickable tab, with a warning, where we put it.

And if you decide you guys don't want to see anything over PG, then don't have fan art, because so much of what happens on this show is right on the line, it will be an argument over perspectives each time anything is submitted with any tiny bit of anything. This is an adult show, I don't see why, something that has so many adult themes in it, you would even ban it. If this was a kids show, sure, but it isn't. Do you cover your eyes whenever a character has sex, makes a sex or violence joke, or fights? No, you usually laugh.

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

I almost feel like we should have our own rating. General Fan Art - Bloody and Gore (ex. Jakelad) - Implied sexual content (Six's Neena) - Sexual Content (NeenaXNate). Because so far, that seems to be the rating, from what I gathered. I think from Bloody to Sexual, we should go with Pure's concept of a drop down. I believe the Halo wiki had something similiar, I will look into on the weekend. But I dont think General Fan art should be Drop Down.

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

Hrmmm, when you put it like that... I suppose we could have a few banned items and just a separate tab (possibly within the gallery) for that stuff. That is at least my recommendation, but no matter what, were probably gonna need one more vote...

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

General fan art would have no drop down, anything considered NSFW would be under a drop down. Anything unrelated to Urlive in rather catagory would simply be deleted. This lets us group together the fan art from NSFW without the need for major discussion on what's what.

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

Yeah I'm cool with that. I say we just go ahead and do that and see what happens and make changes if necessary. Also, we should probably make sure the "random page" button doesn't link you to the NSFW dropdown (I have no idea if it could, but it seems right to not randomly send people there).

5ilver42 (Talkcontribs)

I've been a way for a bit and now as this seems to the main topic for discussion I will weigh in with my thoughts.

I love the an art, I think we all do. I'm cool with any and all of the NSFW fan art too. Should it be on the wiki though? That is the question. A lot of people have been sharing ideas of what to do if we have fan art and if we have NSFW, what constitutes NSFW, etc. I personally don't think we should host fan art on the wiki.

First, it is not official content, which is what the wiki's focus has been. Yes, we have trivia, flavor, and non-canon notes, and theories on many pages, but it's for one of two reasons: their real-estate on the site is trivial, or, canon has not been established.

Second, as people have been discussing, there is a lot of safeguards that will need to be put in place if fan art is included with NSFW stuff too. How do we grade a piece's NSFWness? And I agree, if we include fan art, we should include all of it.

Which, flows into my next point, there will always be new fan art. This may be a weaker point as there is going to be a constant growth of canon campaigns, but fan art comes out randomly. There is not schedule for it like official stuff. If a team wants to get together to collect it all, then that's fine. But the unknowns in the future workload have me cautious.

Now, fan art could fit under the "trivia and flavor" I already mentioned but hosting it on the wiki could greatly blow-up size and bandwidth usage. Maybe that isn't an issue, but I'm not the one paying for the site, so I'm not sure. What I propose is, instead of hosting fan art on the site, what about having a page(s) with external links to the original hosting location? (deviant art, tumblur, imgur, etc) While not as elegant, I see this being a potentially better solution to handling fan art, if we are going do anything fan art at all.

I've said a bit, so I'll stop here for now, and see where everyone else is at with these ideas.


I vote we get rid of Fan Art -- but have a section/page dedicating to directing people to their sources.

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Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

Are you guys ok with NSFW content on this wiki as long as it pertains to URealms? This came up when a user wanted to know if this: File:Sexy_Neena_with_her_bikini_plate_armor.png was ok. Now while this seems a bit tame, there are other NSFW images like the somewhat infamous Neena and Nate NSFW art [1]. I had the user put the image he was asking about in its own section in the gallery and I created a warning for that section. Is everyone ok with or does someone have some other thoughts or ideas about this stuff?

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

Like Rob and the guys have said, "This is still a very adult show with adult themes," so as far as NSFW content, I think we should still be just as open as the BWs are about it. But as far as NSFW Fan Art, I still sway between if we need it or not. In the early days before K's art was official, it was more needed because we needed images for the characters, but I dont feel like this is the correct place for it. I'm just very fickle about it right now.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

I agree with you. I guess this needs to be more of a discussion about whether we should have fan art in general.

I'm not sure that we need fan art here since that's not really the purpose of the wiki, but at the same time, I don't really see any harm in it either. If we took off the fan art I wouldn't really care, but other people might.

If we decided to keep the fan art I'm fine with keeping the NSFW stuff too. I agree that we should keep the same attitude about it that the BWs do. If we decided to get rid of Fan Art then the point is kind of moot since none of the official stuff seems to be NSFW (at least so far).

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

I could really go either way with it as well, I just dont feel like it helps the wiki in anyway. And I would like to note that I am not being bias as my art was one of the ones uploaded, but I just dont feel like it helps us any in having everything documented. If this was a forum, I would be completely fine with it.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

I'd love to get some feed back from User:Tdis8629 and User:Plornt.

Pillowkeeper (Talkcontribs)

Rather than keeping it on the wiki, I feel that the reddit is the best place for fan art. Either way the mods choose, I hope that we don't lose all these amazing pieces of art.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

There used to be a bot on the subreddit that would automatically upload all Buffalo Wizards fan art to a dropbox to keep it archived but something happened and the bot is inactive and the dropbox is down.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

I think most of us agree that Fan art doesn't really need to be on the wiki. If we get one more mod to weigh in and they agree, we'll have a majority and I'll update the rules and start taking down the fan art.

Tdis8629 (Talkcontribs)

Sorry. I have been pretty busy with IRL stuff (Tropical Storm preparation, vet visits, etc). Personally, i am torn with Fan Art. On one hand, it brings flavor to the characters as well as showing support from the community. On the other hand, there are issues that can (and have) pop up, such as permissions and rendering. Normally, I would say we allow art from those that we personally obtain permission from; however, we also want to keep this wiki as close to official as possible.


As for NSFW content, I would say we keep the leniency of the Buffalo Wizards, but have it as either a rollover image or within a collapsible menu/table, in case someone is viewing from a public area (This would apply to both official art and fan made, if allowed).

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

Don't worry, we get everyone has IRL stuff they have to deal with. I agree with both of those thoughts.

I really like the fan art but it has caused problems and I too want to keep this wiki "Official". I think the real problem is that other than the subreddit, this is the best place for URealms fans to currently converse. There's no URealms forum and and the Buffalo Wizard site isn't set up for that. We're meant to be a database, but a lot of people have turned here just to talk with other people about the show. Even I myself have had fun speculating about the timeline in the discussion tab. I feel like technically we should not allow fan art because that's not what we're for, but then where does the art go? Spread out randomly all over the subreddit? I don't know. In the end I don't really think the fan art belongs here. I wish I had a better solution though.

On the topic of the NSFW stuff, if you know how to make a rollover image or collapsible menu/table, by all mean please set one up so at the very least we have one in the future. I don't know how to do either of those so I did the best I can, but both of those options sound great.

Plornt (Talkcontribs)

I dunno to be honest, whilst BW has stated its an adult show - regardless of that - does having NSFW content on a wiki really add to the site? Just to me it seems like fan art of that nature doesnt belong here. My thought process is, fan art is there because it provides visuals to an otherwise long article and it helps the reader see what that character was at a glance. I dont know to be honest. We can probably do some sort of vote in this thread?

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

I had a thought, I notice that wikis like the Super Mario Wiki and the Zelda Wiki have sections for the users, IE discussions about which character would win in a battle, and stuff like that. Maybe, with some clever thinking, we could have something like that? That way we have a "forum" for fans, but we can put a fine line between the official documentation part of the Wiki, that should be the most advertised, and the fun fan part.

Mitchmatey (Talkcontribs)

I think NSFW content is OK as long as it is CLEARLY marked before it is shown.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

Currently it is. However, at the moment we're really trying to decide if we should keep fan art in general.

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Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

If we're going to do a mod poll we can do it right here in this discussion. We currently have 4 active mods so we need to figure out what we do in the case of a tie. (We also may need to talk soon about adding more mods)

If we're going to do a site wide poll I suggest we let users vote from October 4-10 to give them a full week to vote. We can put a notice on the home page with a link to the poll.

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

I am personally of the opinion that NSFW stuff should probably not be allowed. By that I mean reference to is okay, but actual blatant acts or parts, no. As for Fan Art, I say we keep it and upload it to the relative gallery section. If someone feels that a picture doesn't belong or violates something, then I say we have a general mod/admin vote on it.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

Right now we're actually talking about allowing Fan Art in general. I'm not sure if you read the rest of the conversation but most of us are ok with allowing NSFW content on the wiki. However, if we become torn on that subject as well I guess we can vote on that too.

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

I'm only against explicitly NSFW stuff. Implied stuff, sure that's cool. Reference to, sure why not? Bond style? Totally fine. Its the unneeded amount of explicitness that I'm against. I'm fine with being outvoted, just simply want to recommend maybe a page to its own with clear warnings and such? As remember, while cool with it being referenced, Rob never actually wants to go all in NSFW RP (Think Lords and his warnings in the campaigns).

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

Oh and for fan art, well to quote myself: "I think we should upload all fan art to the respective image section, and hold a committee to take a picture off if need be." as well as "I think we could just enforce a policy of requiring your signature (name/username) physically in the photo itself. Saves us time."

Plornt (Talkcontribs)

Oh I hadn't realised we was talking about fan art in general, I personally definitely think we should allow fan art. As the only URLive site placing them here on the character pages in their own little section makes sense as it makes the art not essentially fall off the radar a few days down the line. At least until theres a proper place to place them that isnt time based ie twitter feeds/reddit and has a structured way of getting to them (ie if Rob made the website with a fan art section).

I just dont think NSFW content really belongs here.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

But plornt, it's an adult show. If someone makes a fan art of some of the Neena scenes, which are canon, is it seemed NSFW? The issue is we will have to judge if it is NSFW, and judge carefully. People wouldn't be too happy their art isn't shown due to the content. If however, it was organized in two sections, NSFW and normal, the staff can judge where they go, and re judgement wouldn't be as harsh. They can still be viewed by anybody either way, all it does is keep those who don't want to see NSFW from seeing it. But if we allow fan art, allow all of it, because this is an adult show. The general audience is older teens to young adults, all have been exposed to, at the very least, the concept of all this.

Besides that, I don't think the wiki is the place for fan art, a forum is. Until we have a forum set up though, I think the wiki should be the place to hold it, as this is a major chat site for fans currently. Although it is intended for purely information, a proper forum isn't avail le, so taking the role of primarily information with certain discussions and a fan art section aren't over the top ideas.

Petertwnsnd (Talkcontribs)

As stated earlier, I think NSFW content should be allowed. The Buffalo Wizards have said they are fine with it since it's an adult show with adult themes. Here is Rob's exact comment on the NSFW picture of Neena and Nate having sex. In addition, if we get rid of NSFW content, do we also get rid of this? That's official art made by Nick Graves, but it's also NSFW due to gore. I definitely think these pictures should probably labeled as to warn users who might want to stay away from them, but I don't think we should get rid of them all together.

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

Hmm... You both bring up good points, and while I have voted, I would simply like to clarify what I meant by NSFW. Yes, that pic would probably count, though I'm fine with excessive stuff, as long as we have a completely separate section for it. I think we go case by case for it though, as some stuff, while technically NSFW, isn't that bad. (Technically anything showing blood is NSFW, so yeah, I think we play it by year. Think Bond Sex scenes.)

82.132.229.121 (Talkcontribs)

Probably a clarification needs to be in order. Not logged just noticed as on phone (plornt here). When I talk about nsfw I mean non canon content of a sexual nature. Why? Because its awkward as fuck explaining to people that I run a site with essentially rule34 content. I just don't think that belongs on the wiki.

IronClark (Talkcontribs)

I agree with Robo-Plornt. Take for example Dank Dungeons and Dragons. it has strong, non-canon content of sexual nature to it. Which is much different than Neena and Nate boinking for a minute in Unseen Rouges. Which can be easily summarized to "They proceeded to have intercourse, but was interrupted by the approaching Hat Rats." or some such to that nature.

Tescen (Talkcontribs)

You guys summed up everything I've been trying to say.

PureLemons (Talkcontribs)

Well Iron, if I could draw you bet I'd do a "roll to finish" art haha.

But, I think as long as it's something canon or semi-canon, NSFW things should be fine. Here is an example of what I mean by semi-canon: Gwyenth being undecided over Kallark and Xavius, and going with both. That never happened, though it is something that easily could have occurred.

Something I'd consider non-canon are Dave and Phillepe preforming in 50 Shades Of Grey, which really has no use being on the reddit.

If it is too hard to differentiate between the two, then I just say include it all, and have a section specifically for it, with viewer discretion. As long as it isn't something you can't avoid seeing when looking at the fanart, then I don't see it as bad. If you don't want it, don't go to its page.


And Plornt, why would it ever get to you telling them every detail of the site? Simply say "I own a wiki page, acting as a website, for the online show called URealms Live", and pray to god they don't immediately go to the fanart haha.

Tdis8629 (Talkcontribs)

I started doing a write-up on my feelings with this topic, but it started turning into a 4-page wall of text (10pt, Lib Mono type, single spacing), and no one likes walls. Instead, there could be a quasi-utility triage system for both types of content (violence and nudity/sexual) if there is a full split on the votes, which may satisfy both sides of the NSFW debate.

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