We're currently missing text and images for all three of the Supporter Events that activated during the fight with the Skelephelk in Fall of Dundinborough. If anyone has the exact description that Rob used, it would be greatly appreciated if it could be added to the page.
FOD Skelephelk Donations
Used Events Section
I really don't know what this section is for, it doesn't really make any sense. Should I just remove it?
don't delete it
What's it for though?
to show event that happen during the campaign and event that were not use during that said campaign.
We have a section for unactivated events now, so I don't see how it is necessary anymore. Plus the way it is set out is very confusing such that no one can get any information from it.
it just showing that there an in between the inactive and the active events
Okay I figured out what it was for and made that a little clearer and made it collapsed and expandable to reduce confusion
I'm sorry, I don't understand.
Some one has already just made it into a category.
did you not just read the comments
I read the admin to do and it said to either reformat or to just make it a category page. Someone just made it a category page.
The Money Talk Again
In the past there was a bit of a hubbub between the community and the Wizards regarding keeping a public record of the weekly intake Urealms has for each show. While I think having this page and the information shown on it has value to the community. Out of respect for Rob's views on the matter I would like to propose that we remove the "total revenue" entries for each campaign and rename the "Cost" columns to something to the effect of "Donation Goal."
I wanted a little bit of a discussion on this before making the changes.
I was going to link to Rob's original comments on Reddit regarding the issue to bring context to it more accurately, but have been unable to find it.
I believe the total revenue should be removed. All that is really needed for community knowledge and for story/canon-tracking reasons are the Cost of each event and whether they were Completed or not.
The percentage of completion and the overflow (and therefor the total revenue) are irrelevant to the canon and the community, they are purely bookkeeping factors. As such, they belong firmly under the realm of Wizards-only info; the community has no need of knowing or keeping track of that info.
There are very few exceptions, such as the Season Finale deciding donation choices. In these cases, I believe that percentage of completion would be appropriate, as the options were limited to only one succeeding, so knowing how close they were is relevant to the community. Even in cases such as that, though, Total Revenue has no need to be tracked, nor even the total monetary value of each of the donation options, just the percentages of which option had more donations towards it.
TL;DR: I agree with Rob in that Total Revenue does not need to be tracked (and therefor should be removed), and believe a (Donation Event) Cost/Goal column and (Donation Event) Completed column (a simple true/false yes/no) would be enough to cover all info relevant to the community and the canon. (With very rare and very limited exceptions.)
I agree with you, 5ilver42 entirely, we should remove the total revenue and change cost to donation goal, as I can't think of anything better than that.
For me the money stuff is in bad taste. I show the money of donations I want to be very honest with the audience because this is a community funded show, but this wiki is meant to just be about the Lore of the world, not the money that has been made. Like we wouldn't have a page about T-Shirts and how many shirts were sold and estimated profits would we?
Also I don't believe that it's important that fans know about donations that failed if they weren't there to experience because they are simply non cannon. In the last campaign of S10, it doesn't matter what the other two stories were because they are not canon. They didn't happen. This wiki should be about established lore with stuff we can point to and go "here is why this is lore", not pages devoted to what could of been.
And again, Money just shouldn't be on the wiki. It's just in poor taste. Donation events are not something that will be in UR Live forever. They are a means to an end to fund the show if I didn't need them to fund the show, I wouldn't even have them. They are limiting to campaigns and a pain to do. I would much rather have animation segments for dramatic events then to force donations through.
I'm not sure if Rob's remarks were directed at anyone in particular, or just to the community members addressing the issue. I could have worded my opening remarks for this thread a bit better. Money is like sex. The moment it becomes a factor in any relationship things change, and if it isn't handled well, it can be very very bad and awkward. I have no problems with removing everything having to do with money to keep that info in the private hands it belongs in.
What I meant from, "I think having this page and the information shown on it has value to the community." I was referring to the kind of audience participation it introduces to the universe. Whether it will stick around or not, whether it's the ideal option or a "required evil" (so to speak) on Rob's part to make the show possible, it is still something a part of it that has undoubtedly shaped the world. If people think it would be best to just removing anything and everything regarding money on the page, I think that would be fine, but I feel that the page itself and everything else on it has a place here, even if it is just something at the meta-meta level of the game and it's universe. There are pages on game rules, game boards, game cards (even a card builder), there is even a dice stats page...
In summary, if the format needs tweaking, I say then let's do it, but novelty of it and the record it keeps of the audience's influence I think has a place...
I hope that better clarified my perspective on the topic better.
Note: I have removed the total revenue info from the page.
I created this page, because I wanted to track the meta of the game and I knew I would have a lot to do and watch for the page. I stepped back later in season one due to time constraints, but I still like tracking the meta of it and when season 2 comes out I look forward to continuing the page if support events are in the next season, if they are not, oh well I've had fun doing what I've done (plus that is great for Rob). I do, however understand that Rob is the creator of URealms Live and so is the father of this community and we should respect what he has to say. With what Rob has said in mind as well as my own thoughts I propose this:
1. We remove the column for the goal entirely.
2. We remove any other content of the page directly pertaining to money numbers.
3. We do not remove the supporter events that did not go through, but instead move them to a different section of the page and mark it as non-canon. Like we would with the drunk campaigns.
Obviously this should be discussed before it is carried through. Rob if you straight up tell us to do us something I, for one, will respect that, but as far as I can tell what you have said has been an opinion.
I've completed the proposed edits, as no one has said otherwise.
the new crew supporter events table incomplete
the table for the new crew has the wrong icons and youtube timestamps i am happy to fix this its just i cant work out how to get the icon images from the stream
Some of them I believe were taken from 1080 rips. Others were from the donation page directly the day of the stream. Other's, from asset dumps from the BWs.
During the stream the donation page has descriptions of what each event will do. Perhaps we should be recording what they say, and adding them to the description, especially for the ones that don't get activated.
That would be wise yes. Taking a screenshot of it would be the fastest way.
How do you get to them? Also we should add an extra column for that as they don't fully explain what the event does.
One issue though is for those that DO get activated. The website doesn't always really describe what they do in the best way and sometimes Rob has even changed their effects slightly for story reasons. As for ones that don't get activated though, I can see using the website being very useful.
Sorry for the necro, but we can use an archiving website, such as archive.is or the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine to preserve the donations page for future references. It is as easy as a screenshot, and you can query previous archives just by searching the address. For example, this is a copy of the Silvermine Mountains that I pulled for the flavor text from.
Images too Large
I'm experiencing the page getting errors and having to reload all the time and I suspect it's because of the change from 40px images to 75px images. I propose we change them back as they don't really need to be bigger. Is anyone else experiencing force reloads?
I'm not experiencing any problems. I made them bigger originally because they were too small to really see at 40px, but if it's causing problems for everyone else then we can change it. However, let's make sure its an issue with the site and not just your browser before we change it. What are you running on?
I am not having any issues with page at all.
I'm using an iPad Air safari app. It might be a mobile thing, not sure.
Split page up by campaign? And reformatting the page.
Since this page will keep getting longer and more unwieldy for each new campaign, I imagine we could move the events for each campaign to their own page, like "The Sunswords/Supporter Events". The campaign infobox could also link to the page, in the same area as images and quotes. Thoughts?
Hmm... I mean you're right it will, but having everything in a different place seems like to much of a hassle maybe we could do something with expandable boxes. Like we have each campaign contracted in a box and you can click on it to see it. That way the page won't get to messy and long, but it will still all be in the same place.
Currently each section is much longer than it needs to be. I think every section should look like The Sunsword section. Instead of splitting up donation by arbitrary categories for each campaign they should be in one wikitable. This would help with the growing clutter.
I changed the The Sunswords section back to the format of the rest of the page, so it isn't one table anymore. I personally think it is better to have them split up as they are fundamentally different. Especially the earlier Post Combat Treasures Events.
I've changed it back to the way I had it because there's absolutely no point. Whether it's a combat donation or not is an arbitrary distinction that was created by a user on the wiki when we were first making the page, not by Rob or any of the URLive guys. Any event can become a combat event just like any NPC can be a boss. Rob has made it pretty clear that the line between combat and RP will get more and more blurred as we go on just like the line between good and bad has.
That some user was me thank you very much. I made this page and have been editing it ever since. I think it is looking pretty good now that it is all the same. I just changed a few of the titles to be a bit more specific and fixed a few mistakes.
I did not mean to disrespect. We've had to add and change a lot since we create the wiki due to the way URLive has evolved over the weeks. A lot of our early designs (mine included) have had to change to better suit the wiki's needs.
Thank you for your help and support throughout the weeks. Getting to talk with and work with dedicated users like you are one of the reasons I love this community so much.
Hard to read
The links when clicked on become hard to read with this orange on orange layout.
Yeah I saw that when I changed it, but it when they aren't orange it is really difficult to tell which supporter events occurred in which combat, so overall I think the change is worth it. If someone knows a better way to distinguish the different combats please tell.
Because we haven't been supplied with the official art assets from Rob in a while should we just try to take them from the Youtube videos like we do with other art assets?
I think that's what was done for the previously applied icons... just make sure that the resolution matches the ones that are already used.
For now, I would say yes. I am sure Rob will supply us with the official assets before the next campaign in two weeks, but we do need images in the meantime.
The previous images were from a past art dump. If you want to go through and add icons from YouTube videos go for it, but I won't be doing it, I'm going to wait till the art dump.